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z-Position of the Lumi Monitor [message #8876] Wed, 17 June 2009 15:36 Go to next message
Miriam Fritsch
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Hi,

what is the z-range we could use for the Lumi detector ??

Cheers,

Miriam
Re: z-Position of the Lumi Monitor [message #8894 is a reply to message #8876] Mon, 22 June 2009 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Inti Lehmann is currently offline  Inti Lehmann
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Hi Miriam,

I recall now, why I didn't choose the forum as means of communication for the magnets. One cannot do anything offline and this beast even forgets my password.... Sad

Anyway, for the dimesions you should look at:
http://www-panda.gsi.de/html/det/int/panda_v0.1.15.pdf

In doubt, Bernd is the one to be asked.

Cheers,
Inti
Re: z-Position of the Lumi Monitor [message #9043 is a reply to message #8894] Thu, 23 July 2009 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
donghee is currently offline  donghee
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Hi Inti Lehmann,

I cannot access this file.
http://www-panda.gsi.de/html/det/int/panda_v0.1.15.pdf

I have already GSI forum ID and GSI account, but authentication is failed with these account.
Do I need some additional registration?

Thank you!

Re: z-Position of the Lumi Monitor [message #9044 is a reply to message #9043] Thu, 23 July 2009 12:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
StefanoSpataro is currently offline  StefanoSpataro
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From: *to.infn.it
You need to use the standard panda password for the panda website, not your personal account.
Just ask somebody in your group (I do not think writing it in the forum would be wise).
Re: z-Position of the Lumi Monitor [message #9045 is a reply to message #8876] Thu, 23 July 2009 12:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
donghee is currently offline  donghee
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Hi Stepano,

I have seen there is no indication and designing of Lumi.
This is only a general panda drawing and nothing else for Lumi.

Where is the location for Lumi-monitor, correctly in pandaroot?
or where can I find the Lumi geometry in pandaroot?
/pandaroot/Lumi ?


Thank you!



Re: z-Position of the Lumi Monitor [message #9046 is a reply to message #9045] Thu, 23 July 2009 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
StefanoSpataro is currently offline  StefanoSpataro
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The developer of "lumi" package is Tsito.
Just ask him (maybe he does not read the forum continuosly).

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Inti Lehmann is currently offline  Inti Lehmann
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Hi all,

Let me play devil's advocate Evil or Very Mad

The format, delivery and access to those mailing lists is so poor, that you should send any urgent questions to me directly:
i.lehmann@physics.gla.ac.uk

Cheers,
Inti

PS: If someone would manage to remove the "New reply to" from the subject line it may already help a bit...
Re: z-Position of the Lumi Monitor [message #9076 is a reply to message #8876] Tue, 28 July 2009 14:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bernd Lewandowski is currently offline  Bernd Lewandowski
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Hi Miriam,

after bringing together the actual numbers of the detectors in the forward spectrometer: The z-range of the Lumi detector is 10500mm to 12500mm.
At 10500mm the outer diameter of the beampipe is 110mm, same as at the z position of 12500mm.
So the parts to change the beampipe diameter for the Lumi detector are included in the 2m (z=10500mm - 12500mm).

Best Regards,
Bernd

Re: z-Position of the Lumi Monitor [message #9077 is a reply to message #8876] Tue, 28 July 2009 14:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tsitohaina Randriamalala is currently offline  Tsitohaina Randriamalala
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Hi Bernd,
How about the beampipe thickness in this 2 meters lumi monitor region?
Thanks


Tsito
Re: z-Position of the Lumi Monitor [message #9078 is a reply to message #9076] Tue, 28 July 2009 14:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Miriam Fritsch
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hi Bernd,

thank you for the numbers !! Why the number of 110 mm diameter was chosen ?? Is there a reason ??

Cheers,

Miriam

Re: z-Position of the Lumi Monitor [message #9100 is a reply to message #9076] Wed, 29 July 2009 15:58 Go to previous message
Lars Schmitt is currently offline  Lars Schmitt
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Dear Miriam, dear Tsito,

Bernd will be back Thursday next week. Concerning the
beam pipe: The wall thickness usually is 2% of the diameter,
at least for something like Al.

The size of the beam pipe is as given by HESR at the moment.
This comes from a time before any lumi monitor. Here input
is actually needed from you. Best coordinate closely with the
HESR people. Clearly the numbers are not fixed yet for the
part downstream of the target spectrometer.

Within the 2m space for the lumi monitor any adjustment of
beam pipe diameters has to take place. This holds especially
for the outgoing direction. For the upstream side of course
physics plays a role: All elastically scattered pbar you want to
measure with the lumi monitor should be contained in the
pipe. Maybe the best strategy is to open up early on, e.g. soon
after the MVD to the required diameter and then have a rather
big pipe all the way to the lumi monitor.

Regards,

Lars
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