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Proposal: Programming Seminar [message #4215]

Sat, 12 May 2007 00:58

Sebastian Neubert
Messages: 282
Registered: March 2006
Location: Munich

first-grade participant

From: *dip.t-dialin.net

Dear collaborators!

I would like to propose to organize a "Panda Software Seminar".

I am still under the impressions of the recent workshop in Ferrara. The discussions we had were certainly hard work. On the other hand after all I enjoyed it very much to exchange ideas with you!
The challenges that ly ahead of us have convinced me once again that good training is essential for our success.

The idea that came to my mind of having a seminar on general software issues looks like this:

1) Possible topics: C++, ROOT, software design, tools (debugger, tester & co)

2) The seminar is held on a weekly basis via vrvs. One talk per sessions. One hour per talk.

3) The program is fixed for one semester in advance.

4) Contributions from everybody - not just so called experts! One learns more by preparing a talk than if you enjoy an expert's lecture.

What do you think about this idea?
I wish you a nice weekend!

Best Regards, Sebastian.

Sebastian Neubert
Technische Universität München
Department Physik E18
sneubert@e18.physik.tu-muenchen.de
tel: +49-8928912592

[Updated on: Sat, 12 May 2007 00:58]

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Re: Proposal: Programming Seminar [message #4219 is a reply to message #4215]

Sat, 12 May 2007 12:58

Johan Messchendorp
Messages: 693
Registered: April 2007
Location: University of Groningen

first-grade participant

From: *xs4all.nl

Dear Sebastian and others,

I see Sebastian's point and would certainly support it. The main challenge of such a meeting is to keep movitating people to join such a tutorial on a very regular basis. As Sebastian mentions, it should not only be for the experts, but also have the non-experts to participate actively and regularly (!) in such a meeting. The danger is, however, that at the end of the semester only the speaker and less-than-a-handfull of mainly expert participants will be present in the vrvs lecture. But maybe if we indeed fix the dates, topics, and speakers before hand it would help. I would be curious about the opinions of others on this matter as well.

What we could do is to give it a try. Sebastian, are you willing (and have time) to organize such an event? If not, let me know....

Kind wishes and have a nice weekend as well,

Johan.

Johan Messchendorp
University of Groningen/KVI
Zernikelaan 25
NL-9747 AA Groningen
The Netherlands
tel. +31-503633558
fax +31-503634003

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Re: Proposal: Programming Seminar [message #4221 is a reply to message #4219]

Sat, 12 May 2007 13:39

Sebastian Neubert
Messages: 282
Registered: March 2006
Location: Munich

first-grade participant

From: *dip.t-dialin.net

Hi!

I could manage the topics/speakers list and book the VRVS. No problem.

What about the others? Could you imagine to pick that one software topic you always wanted to know more about and make a contribution out of it?

Cheers! Sebastian.

Sebastian Neubert
Technische Universität München
Department Physik E18
sneubert@e18.physik.tu-muenchen.de
tel: +49-8928912592

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Re: Proposal: Programming Seminar [message #4223 is a reply to message #4221]

Sat, 12 May 2007 23:37

Johan Messchendorp
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Registered: April 2007
Location: University of Groningen

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From: *xs4all.nl

Hi,

We have to see. In addition, one could also start making a list of possible topics to give food for thoughts and as trigger....

Kind wishes,

Johan

Johan Messchendorp
University of Groningen/KVI
Zernikelaan 25
NL-9747 AA Groningen
The Netherlands
tel. +31-503633558
fax +31-503634003

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Re: Proposal: Programming Seminar [message #4224 is a reply to message #4223]

Sat, 12 May 2007 23:58

Sebastian Neubert
Messages: 282
Registered: March 2006
Location: Munich

first-grade participant

From: *dip.t-dialin.net

Hi Elisabetta!

Elisabetta wrote:
> a similar kind of proposal was risen up in one of the last vrvs meetings
> and in Genova, concerning specific subjects/topics especially on that
> thing called "tracking" "design", as there are clear problems as you can
> see.
> The final decision is that if people require those specific kind of
> meetings, they are welcome! None until now did that.
> The main goal of the PandaRoot Computing Workshop is that, too: tutorials
> in order to put everyone in conditions to use/develop tools

Cool! So you would be interested in such a thing?

Just a detail: I do not know if I understand you correctly. Are you saying we should have
general topics like "c++ design" in the seminar and use the "computing
workshop" for tutorials like: "How to use the framework"?

I will prepare a section on the wiki where we can brainstorm topics for
the seminar.

If people do not want to take part in the Seminar they need not. It is not
supposed to be a forum for software related decisions. It is only meant
for education.

Cheers Elisabetta!
CU soon!
Sebastian

Sebastian Neubert
Technische Universität München
Department Physik E18
sneubert@e18.physik.tu-muenchen.de
tel: +49-8928912592

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Re: Proposal: Programming Seminar [message #4225 is a reply to message #4223]

Sun, 13 May 2007 00:19

Sebastian Neubert
Messages: 282
Registered: March 2006
Location: Munich

first-grade participant

From: *dip.t-dialin.net

Hi!

I have created a section in the wiki for a brainstorming on the topics for the seminar.

Have a look and drop your idea!

Cheers! Sebastian.

Sebastian Neubert
Technische Universität München
Department Physik E18
sneubert@e18.physik.tu-muenchen.de
tel: +49-8928912592

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Re: Proposal: Programming Seminar [message #4233 is a reply to message #4224]

Mon, 14 May 2007 20:14

Elisabetta Prencipe
Messages: 2
Registered: May 2007
Location: Ferrara

occasional visitor

From: *fe.infn.it

Hi Sebastian!

>Hi Elisabetta!

>Elisabetta wrote:
>> a similar kind of proposal was risen up in one of the last vrvs meetings
>> and in Genova, concerning specific subjects/topics especially on that
>> thing called "tracking" "design", as there are clear problems as you can
>> see.
> The final decision is that if people require those specific kind of
>> meetings, they are welcome! None until now did that.
>> The main goal of the PandaRoot Computing Workshop is that, too: tutorials
>> in order to put everyone in conditions to use/develop tools

>Cool! So you would be interested in such a thing?

Yes. I agree!

>Just a detail: I do not know if I understand you correctly. Are you saying we should have
>general topics like "c++ design" in the seminar and use the >"computing
>workshop" for tutorials like: "How to use the framework"?

Yes.
Tutorials should be interactive. So it's important that people take actively part on those. Part of the Computing Software Workshops in Panda should be dedicated (for sure! until now it happened, as I saw) to do [also] tutorials in the sense that to give common bases for programming can help to avoid misunderstandings. vrvs seminars in my opinion can give this common base. After a good tutorial, users should be able to apply what they learnt.

Are you the first volunteer for one of these vrvs seminars? Smile

Cheers, Elisabetta

>I will prepare a section on the wiki where we can brainstorm >topics for
>the seminar.

>If people do not want to take part in the Seminar they need not. >It is not

>supposed to be a forum for software related decisions. It is >only meant
>for education.

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